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JK
#21 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 1:59:51 PM
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Since you were Law Enforcement at one time, why not apply to the Police department or the sheriffs department?
I know the jail will be hiring soon when they open the new one.
john barton
#22 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 3:12:55 PM
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Mark MyWords... aka. Mr. Bunch,

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#23 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 3:58:16 PM
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JC wrote:
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Is there a point in all these posts about Mr. Bunch other than you don't care for him JK?

Since it appears his farm is legal the neighbors just need to move (which is what Mr. Bunch may have had in mind). Since it was farm land to start with how do any of these neighbors think they have a case against him? I'm sure there are a lot of happy lawyers with all these cases.

What are the plans for the hog farm? Will 6 pigs become 600 in the future?


Like a good neighbor, Charlie Bunch is ??? supplying the pink or enjoying the stink or porking for you (JK)

Maybe he should rename it Hoggywood farm.

What a stupid post. Everybody knows why Bunch put the pigs where he did, to annoy the neighbors who called the law about the noise from the bar. Bunch is not only annoying the neighbors, he is not being fair to the pigs. He has eighty acres and the pigs only have this tiny pen to live in. How is that justifiable?


I don't see much stupid regarding my post, it has elicited replies from JK and CB which clarify their positions on the differences between them on key issues. While CB neither confirms or denies his motives for placing 6 - SIX pigs across from his neighbors he states his case clearly that part time neighbors are harassing him. Perhaps understandably but unhelpfully his post of "mark mywords" will continue to agitate JK rather than help to work out differences between them.

JK, if you will notice, completely failed to answer the question. Since it's clear CB is within his right to put pigs anywhere on his property and JK is well aware of this, what is the point behind all these posts? Only one thing is clear. A couple of posts find CBs ad distasteful. Has anyone considered asking him nicely to perhaps change the offenses part? I doubt it. Outside of the ad all these post are ridiculous and serve no purpose other than to try and make a Benton County Citizen, property owner,businessman and taxpayer look bad. Is this the kind of behavior an elected representative of the county should be engaging in? I certainly don't think so. He should be working to make the county look better not badly.

Possibly the most shocking part of all this information is the bigger story of the neighbor Scott Taylor, being arrested for "wanting to kill the pigs and their owner". I had to go back for a third helping in order to make sure I heard this correctly. In light of the Arizona slayings I would certainly hope the Judge or DA in this case insisted Taylor has some mental health evaluation and pharmacological intervention. The just arresting people without such intervention should be a thing of the past. If news editors were more like they used to be instead of just headline grabbers this would be a great story to follow but of course that won't happen.

Hoggywood Farm story is just another sad commentary for Benton County and reflects badly on US the people and voters. It's just a continuation of the last administration which had our Mayor arrested rather than talking to him over a bunch of sick dogs. I didn't know our former Mayor well but he did serve the public at Autozone and in no way seemed unreasonable to talk to. I guess I will always wonder if ANYBODY even tried to resolve that case before they made a public spectacle for all to see.
JK
#24 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:45:42 PM
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That's rather curious.

Why would Charles Bunch make a comment on this forum but make it in the form of a graphic image, hosted on his own site, rather than simply make his comment in form of text on this one? May it is so that he could simply rename his graphic image on his own server -- or delete the image from his server -- and -- *POOF* -- his comments vanish into thin air?

I'm also a little curious about this, since so many people have asked me but I don't have an answer to their question; "Why doesn't Bunch apply for a permit in his own name?"

At a public meeting he, (Bunch) stated that he was the manager, so why not be the owner with a permit in your own name rather than just a manager? It is logical to say that an owner with the business and permit in their own name would make more money than working as a manager with ownership interest, especially when his wife owns the building, land, and everything else.

People also ask me, "Why isn't he still a police officer in Hawaii?" I don't have the answer to that question either and I wish people would quit asking me that because I don't know, and I frankly don't care.

At any rate I thought I would put those questions on here for all of the people that ask me about it. This way Charles Bunch can answer those questions for himself, in his own words, rather than have the rumor mill run away with speculation.

Things that make you go -- hummmmmmm --.
JK
#25 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 5:09:40 PM
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What question did I completely fail to address?
JK
#26 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 5:12:01 PM
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If this was the one, I believe I answered it perfectly clearly.


JK wrote:
SaintT wrote:
Is there a point in all these posts about Mr. Bunch other than you don't care for him JK?

Since it appears his farm is legal the neighbors just need to move (which is what Mr. Bunch may have had in mind). Since it was farm land to start with how do any of these neighbors think they have a case against him? I'm sure there are a lot of happy lawyers with all these cases.

What are the plans for the hog farm? Will 6 pigs become 600 in the future?


Like a good neighbor, Charlie Bunch is ??? supplying the pink or enjoying the stink or porking for you (JK)

Maybe he should rename it Hoggywood farm.


Which "all these posts" are you talking about?
I was doing the guy a solid by advertising his business for him. I even said, "
This should bring jobs to the county and increase the property values of the neighborhood!
Benton County should feel very fortunate to be getting this new business...." in my first post.

Other than the WBBJ news story, his name wasn't mentioned in this discussion, except by you. Maybe the question should be why you always seem to feel the need to say my name ---- hummmm ----

I thought the guy was trying to run a hog farm and lease his land, but based on his current advertising on the Hogwood website, it looks more like he may need some one to help him write a more appealing ad.


Did you miss that post on page 1?
cwag
#27 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 5:55:22 PM
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As most people I find this whole issue to be STUPID, another black eye making this county look like a joke, but with all the posts out there I have to ask. Mr. Bunch according to Mr. Sullivan he has in his possession a valid Beer Permit for the Hideaway. So why is the business closed and not operating with that permit? If it is a valid permit and he is a co-owner or partner in this business or property than there should be no problem with continuing to operate.
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#28 Posted : Sunday, February 13, 2011 11:34:44 PM
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SaintT wrote:
...A couple of posts find CBs ad distasteful. Has anyone considered asking him nicely to perhaps change the offenses part? I doubt it. ... Possibly the most shocking part of all this information is the bigger story of the neighbor Scott Taylor, being arrested for "wanting to kill the pigs and their owner".


1. The banner ad on www.BentonCountyWikiLeaks.us that some found offending was changed several days ago ... nobody asked, it was just changed.

2. Pointing out Burns being a resident and taxpayer of Covington, causing the harrassment of my business interest in Benton County, and the biased TV news making the Taylors look like helpless victims of mean old Charlie, while they live in a toxic zoo with much worse conditions that the 6 piggies 200 feet from their house, was the intent of the long post.

Thanks SaintT for having the common sense to see the story from a neutral point of view.

3. The graphics based post was intended to dis-allow someone from copy and pasting my words out of context. But, John Bartons House, John Bartons Rules! Won't happen again.

4. Until I have significant information of interest to anyone other than JK I will not be replying to the JK fishing expedition. I have provided viewers with facts and opinions based on a reasonable belief there's a factual basis, not speculation.

5. I'm not here to spar with JK, just show all who really have an interest in Benton County, that yes, the same group of people who tried to topple the Thornton Administration, followed by the Wiseman Administration, is now on the attack to topple the Barnett Administration. Yes, the Good-Ole-Boys have a new target. The inmates have taken over the asylum.

6. CWAG - There is a $100.00 annual privilege tax due before January 31st to keep beer permits active. Beer permits do not expire. They can only be Suspended, Revoked, or forfieted if the annual tax is not paid. None of those circumstances occured in this case. JD Sullivan is the ONLY one who can surrender his permit. It must be closed out on the books and the annual sales taxes for the previous year are due immediately upon closing the account. For example, beer permits are required to be posted in a conspicuous public place. If a drunk takes the beer permit off the wall without the bartenders knowledge, and the next day leaves it at the County Clerk's Office, has it been surrendered? Of course not. The Mayor and County Attorney knew Mr. Sullivan did not surender, or authorize the surender of his valid permit. Mark Davis made a mistake in taking it in on January 10th, prior to believing his would be "issued". But Mark Davis was not authorized by JD Sullivan to even take the permit off the wall.

a. On January 28th I paid the $100.00 tax and got a computer generated reciept showing the permit still active in the County Clerks Computer System. On Monday the 31st, Mr. Sullivan called Mayor Barnett and asked if I could pick up his permit, his reply was yes. On Tuesday the 1st, Mayor Barnett accompanied me to the County Clerks Office where the Beer Permit was handed to me without any "void" on it. Of course it was not void because the computer showed it active and they had collected the $100.00 fee within the statutory time.

b. That night it was announced on this site we had our valid permit returned.

c. As of two days ago, we learned thru a certified letter, that on Wednesday the 2nd, less than 24 hours after the announcement on this site of the returned valid permit, Wanda Malin had mailed a one paragraph letter saying the permit had been voided, but no reason why was given. Attached was a $100.00 refund check and a photo copy which now had "void" written in black magic marker, once across the face of the document. There was also an attached copy of the reciept from January 28, showing the permit valid at that time. During that same time period, JK began spewing the message the permit was void. COINCIDENCE IN TIMING?

d. So in less than 24 hours of "someone" from the beer board finding out the valid permit was returned, "someone" from the beer board went to the clerks office and ordered it voided. The Mayor told me he could not over-rule the beer board and they have obviously revolked the permit, now, without due process.

e. The mayor told me it would have to be settled in court as he's powerless over beer board decisions or consequences. The County Attorney believes the beer permit is "NOT VOID" but cannot over-rule the beer board, only advise them. I have him on voicemail saying it is not void. He can only wait and watch as the lawsuits pile up and the tax dollars of the County flow into defense attorney hands, and settlement awards.

So I hope that answers the important questions, will keep you guys updated when the next lawsuit is filed. This is now a case for a judge, I will not engage in any further replies from JK, he will next answer under oath. His insults directed to me only add to the case. I'll just let out some more rope and see how much tighter he makes his own noose. A "Wise Man" in his position would shut up. His next post will determine if he's wise. You guys be the judge.

Charles Bunch
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#29 Posted : Monday, February 14, 2011 1:47:08 AM
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JK wrote:
What question did I completely fail to address?


Let's just stay with the FIRST one. Is there a point in all these posts about Mr. Bunch other than you don't care for him JK?


Your answer of "I was doing the guy a solid by advertising his business for him" is as phony as your apology. I ask a serious question and expected a real reply not a bunch of malarkey. Clearly you feel the need to disparage CB and I wanted to know why or do you even know yourself? Your supposed to be representing the people in your district not meddling in someone else s. I certainly hope the voters in your district are paying attention to your actions since I don't feel your antics are representative of the people of Benton County as a whole. It would be nice if the other commissioners would post on this board and inform us of what's happening in their areas but do you think they would ever consider that with you making a three ring circus act here? (three ring, you, CB, JDS it fits and if the shoe fits) There's not much else to say. CWAG nailed it - stupid stupid stupid

Charlie - today's the first time I been to you site in a while and was surprised the music was gone - a pleasant surprise however I had problems with it. I see the "Click the Play for the music" words but the button is being blocked by my adblock. I made and exception and reloaded the page but still no button. Just thought I'd let you know in case you need to tweak it. (Want to see a really fancy page go to Magic Hat) As you can tell I know little about web page building. If it's possible to add more than one song for a page I have a suggestion for you -

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
Ah, what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game oh yeah

Since some seems to think your he, it just seems appropriate, or as your ad pointed out you have to have stones to roll in Big Sandy TN!
Whatever just keep on tweakin and leaking with your site.


It's still shocking you and Mr. Utley has to endure such crap from the neighbor. Did Whitworth on Feb 2nd make sure he got the help he needed? While I'm sure you think he needs a life long stay behind bars what he really needs is HEALTH CARE. A large dose of Thorazine with an ankle bracelet to keep him from lovin the pigs would do nicely.(no not that pig - your pigs)

Jocularity aside cwag has ask an important question re: the bar and also leak something besides JK. This tit for tat is already getting old.

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CB wrote:
So I hope that answers the important questions, will keep you guys updated when the next lawsuit is filed. This is now a case for a judge, I will not engage in any further replies from JK, he will next answer under oath. His insults directed to me only add to the case. I'll just let out some more rope and see how much tighter he makes his own noose. A "Wise Man" in his position would shut up. His next post will determine if he's wise. You guys be the judge.

Thanks, when you can update us. The inmates have taken over the asylum. Seems to be so charlie.
JK
#30 Posted : Monday, February 14, 2011 1:48:29 AM
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I would advise JD Sullivan to file criminal charges of theft against the person the SURRENDERED his permit.
Is he willing to do that? A permit is a valuable document according to the law. If someone went in your house and stole an original copy of the Declaration Of Independence, it would amount to the same thing. File criminal charges against the thief.

The board did not take any action to revoke the permit, it was surrendered, you even stated, agreed, that it was surrendered at an open, legal meeting of the beer board.

A wise man, which you seem to want people to believe you are, wouldn't have already saturated the email in-boxes
of every one in the county with so much distortion of fact it makes for a good fiction novel.

Will this be a jury trial you'll be seeking? I hope so.
Will you be asking for additional damages above and beyond the $140,000.00 that has been asked for "to avoid litigation"?

You just might find yourself on the other end of a lawsuit yourself with the false accusations you have made against good people of the county.

Will you be acting "pro Se" as usual, or will Mr. King be handling this for you?
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Sir, from what I am reading ,
If a drunk takes the beer permit off the wall without the bartenders knowledge, and the next day leaves it at the County Clerk's Office, has it been surrendered? Of course not. The Mayor and County Attorney knew Mr. Sullivan did not surender, or authorize the surender of his valid permit. Mark Davis made a mistake in taking it in on January 10th, prior to believing his would be "issued". But Mark Davis was not authorized by JD Sullivan to even take the permit off the wall.,

you are calling your friend a DRUNK, is this true? if so, what kind of friends do you have?
Just trying to clear something up in my head. Confused

JC
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Mark Mywords wrote:
JK wrote:
Yeah -- that's the Chuck "JD Sullivan" Bunch version.




So, Mark Mywords, those from the County and those who have conspired with County Officials to cut off my income source, interfere with a lease agreement, and now halted a sale of the property, have screwed themselves so deep in the ground that when their heads pop out, they'll be shaking hands with the Chinese.


How did they halt the sale of the property??? Perhaps the letter sent out by Sullivan got the attention of some people. IF, and that is a big IF, you really had a lease or contract for sale on the property a wise businessman as you claim to be would have kept his mouth shut until the deal was final.
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#33 Posted : Monday, February 14, 2011 12:32:31 PM
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SaintT wrote:
JK wrote:
What question did I completely fail to address?


Let's just stay with the FIRST one. Is there a point in all these posts about Mr. Bunch other than you don't care for him JK?


Your answer of "I was doing the guy a solid by advertising his business for him" is as phony as your apology. I ask a serious question and expected a real reply not a bunch of malarkey. Clearly you feel the need to disparage CB and I wanted to know why or do you even know yourself? Your supposed to be representing the people in your district not meddling in someone else s. I certainly hope the voters in your district are paying attention to your actions since I don't feel your antics are representative of the people of Benton County as a whole. It would be nice if the other commissioners would post on this board and inform us of what's happening in their areas but do you think they would ever consider that with you making a three ring circus act here? (three ring, you, CB, JDS it fits and if the shoe fits) There's not much else to say. CWAG nailed it - stupid stupid stupid

Charlie - today's the first time I been to you site in a while and was surprised the music was gone - a pleasant surprise however I had problems with it. I see the "Click the Play for the music" words but the button is being blocked by my adblock. I made and exception and reloaded the page but still no button. Just thought I'd let you know in case you need to tweak it. (Want to see a really fancy page go to Magic Hat) As you can tell I know little about web page building. If it's possible to add more than one song for a page I have a suggestion for you -

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
Ah, what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game oh yeah

Since some seems to think your he, it just seems appropriate, or as your ad pointed out you have to have stones to roll in Big Sandy TN!
Whatever just keep on tweakin and leaking with your site.


It's still shocking you and Mr. Utley has to endure such crap from the neighbor. Did Whitworth on Feb 2nd make sure he got the help he needed? While I'm sure you think he needs a life long stay behind bars what he really needs is HEALTH CARE. A large dose of Thorazine with an ankle bracelet to keep him from lovin the pigs would do nicely.(no not that pig - your pigs)

Jocularity aside cwag has ask an important question re: the bar and also leak something besides JK. This tit for tat is already getting old.

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CB wrote:
So I hope that answers the important questions, will keep you guys updated when the next lawsuit is filed. This is now a case for a judge, I will not engage in any further replies from JK, he will next answer under oath. His insults directed to me only add to the case. I'll just let out some more rope and see how much tighter he makes his own noose. A "Wise Man" in his position would shut up. His next post will determine if he's wise. You guys be the judge.

Thanks, when you can update us. The inmates have taken over the asylum. Seems to be so charlie.



AGAIN, since you didn't get it the first time. Charles Bunch name was never mentioned except for the new article.

Not that it would matter, since you seem to always take aim at me no matter what --lol --

Hopefully the guy will follow through and we can get all of this into a court so that ALL of the people he has been slandering will be vindicated.

I am not a commissioner, I don't represent anyone in any district, I serve on a board that has laws and rules to follow and the board did just that, no more and no less.

You may be dumb enough to buy the manure he is dishing out, but I know that saying of "The enemy of the enemy is my friend", and so you would side with Satan himself if it were against me, you always have and always will -- it's to be expected.

The guys story has changes so many times regarding his permit, at least his "Mouth Piece", "JS Sullivans" side has.
First he surrendered the permit.
Then it was accidentally left on a chair at a meeting.
Then it was illegally revoked.
Then it was accidentally surrendered.
Then it was stolen.
Then comes the conspiracies accusations.
Now the false accusation of a revocation with out due process.


My opinion is that this is nothing more than a skilled liar doing his best to push the county into a lawsuit and look for a big pay-day.

I think he is a con man -- plain and simple.
I think he is doing all of this to set up a lawsuit -
I think it was all planned out --
I think he has issues, because there are 5 members of the board, yet he only attacks me - Not that I mind because I have gone up against better and won in the past.


Will he ask for $1.00 and a verdict like I did in federal court just to prove the principal? I doubt it.


Maybe "he" should re-read the masses of emails and accusations he has sent out to people, making false claims against myself, commissioners Dye, Jordan, Berry, Evans -- etc. Maybe YOU need to be privy to those things before you choose "sides".


Personally, I can't wait to have it all in court.

Maybe the county needs to have a website where all of the applications for permits can be made public, since they are all public information.

It's the things "he" and "they" are doing behind the scenes, not on this forum that you do not know about that will shine through in court. Personally, I can't wait.
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SaintT wrote:
Thanks, when you can update us. The inmates have taken over the asylum. Seems to be so charlie.


SaintT, under advice of counsel I have been asked to cease posting on this site other than to do public notifications which would necessarily be made available through other media outlets. If you wish to ask any further questions of me outside this forum, please do so thru the email link on the "Pleased to meet you..." site.

Charlie
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Mark Mywords wrote:
SaintT wrote:
Thanks, when you can update us. The inmates have taken over the asylum. Seems to be so charlie.


SaintT, under advice of counsel I have been asked to cease posting on this site other than to do public notifications which would necessarily be made available through other media outlets. If you wish to ask any further questions of me outside this forum, please do so thru the email link on the "Pleased to meet you..." site.

Charlie


That would be good advice..

In response to your post.
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3. The graphics based post was intended to dis-allow someone from copy and pasting my words out of context. But, John Bartons House, John Bartons Rules! Won't happen again.


That was never a problem, the original post would be left intact and you could refer back to it. In fact I don't think that has happened yet. But you are right it is my site and ultimately my rules. You agreed to that when you signed up. I try to allow the users freedom within limits. These limits are the same as I would expect of guests in my home. Someone gets out of bounds, then they are corrected. I try to do that in the kindest way I can. I think you know that by now. Nuf said?


Just an observation or two...

Mark Mywords wrote:
5. I'm not here to spar with JK, just show all who really have an interest in Benton County, that yes, the same group of people who tried to topple the Thornton Administration, followed by the Wiseman Administration, is now on the attack to topple the Barnett Administration. Yes, the Good-Ole-Boys have a new target. The inmates have taken over the asylum.


First its been like Holmes and Tyson so can't believe that. Second many of us that have a true interest in Benton County have different points of views on what is best. The group, I'll assume you mean Joe and the members of the citizens group, did want to oust Thorton, and Wiseman. But just as with Wiseman, Barnett was given the benefit of a doubt and allowed to go about his business without interference from those I've mentioned. The general quote was "Give the man a chance to prove himself." So far he has done a good job. His clash with the commission was more of a trial period in the relationship where they both had to figure out where they stood. What you may have seen as a hard time was more like the commission getting back the rights, privileges and power it was entitled to. The power that was given away and stolen a long time before Wiseman came along. In fact Joe and members of the Citizens group have complimented Barnett at the commission meetings on his decisions and the way he conducts himself at the meetings.

Your use of the Good-Ole-Boys is amusing, as that term was reserved for those that have used the political system of this county to control, both the public and business in the community for decades. How would those that toppled be part of that system? The very thing they wanted to get rid of. I think you owe the Citizens Group an apology as they are not your enemy and I really don't think that you want them to be.

Mark Myword wrote:
So I hope that answers the important questions, will keep you guys updated when the next lawsuit is filed. This is now a case for a judge, I will not engage in any further replies from JK, he will next answer under oath. His insults directed to me only add to the case. I'll just let out some more rope and see how much tighter he makes his own noose. A "Wise Man" in his position would shut up. His next post will determine if he's wise. You guys be the judge.


Your updates will be of great interest to many, if for nothing else than information gathering. I would like to pass a little word of wisdom as well... Those that profess to be your new friend may well be using you to do their dirty work and have no real interest in helping you. They will run from the fight as soon as they feel they are going to get dirty, leaving you hung out to dry. Just something you can take for what its worth. Welcome to Benton County Politics.

cwag
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Charlie I do thank you for your direct answer that did answer a question I did have, but the point you made before that does worry me;

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5. I'm not here to spar with JK, just show all who really have an interest in Benton County, that yes, the same group of people who tried to topple the Thornton Administration, followed by the Wiseman Administration, is now on the attack to topple the Barnett Administration. Yes, the Good-Ole-Boys have a new target. The inmates have taken over the asylum.


It show's either a total lack of knowledge of this counties political history or that since your arrival in Benton County that you have hung out with the wrong people. The Administration of Wiseman, before that of Thornton, and even before him are the true reasons this county is in its current situation. Illegal Spending, Wasteful Spending, Local Business owners being allowed to threaten potential industry because they new industry would pay more and lure away their under paid labor, and other shady and highly questionable activities like a member of the Mayor's office contacting a former mayor to rebid after his sealed bid had been open and rejected are just the tip of the iceberg to the damage the true Good Ole Boys have done to this county over the past few decades. Those Administrations needed toppling and the Citizens Group which is not and has never been lead by Joe Kyle had the biggest hand in awakening the people of this county to see those people for what they are Shysters and Criminals leaving this county with hardly any industry and as the Landfill Capital of the State.
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JK wrote:
SaintT wrote:
JK wrote:
What question did I completely fail to address?






AGAIN, since you didn't get it the first time. Charles Bunch name was never mentioned except for the new article.

Not that it would matter, since you seem to always take aim at me no matter what --lol --

Hopefully the guy will follow through and we can get all of this into a court so that ALL of the people he has been slandering will be vindicated.

I am not a commissioner, I don't represent anyone in any district, I serve on a board that has laws and rules to follow and the board did just that, no more and no less.

You may be dumb enough to buy the manure he is dishing out, but I know that saying of "The enemy of the enemy is my friend", and so you would side with Satan himself if it were against me, you always have and always will -- it's to be expected.



I was only referring to this post but since you have linked JDS with CB as and unsavory pair by denying their beer license (or to be specific JDSs beer license), I can see why there is confusion to which post I was refering to.

I know neither you or CB and as CB has said "I'm merely seeing the story from a neutral point of view". You haven't made your case as to why you have made these two (#1&3) posts, however "I think he is a con man -- plain and simple" is a more distinct rely than "I was doing the guy a solid by advertising his business for him." What evidence do you have that CB is a con man? It's a lot like cwags contention "Local Business owners being allowed to threaten potential industry because they new industry would pay more and lure away their under paid labor, and other shady and highly questionable activities." What business owners threatening who? All very questionable allegations without specific examples.

CB on the other hand states his case very distinctly. An unbalanced neighbor is harassing him and another 71yo neighbor with threats of physical violence. (Sounds like another Arizona waiting to happen) You have through your own making gotten in the middle of this situation by going to his business and also threatened him. Did I get this correct?

While you may not be a commissioner you were (questionably) appointed to the beer board and do play a role as a public figure and your actions reflects on the choices Benton County citizens make. I thought of telling you we may have more in common than you think since you also have had problems with one Officer KB aka Robocop but it seems you may be more like him in that while your position on the beer board you are "within the law" but making questionable choices when you could do otherwise. I'm not sure robocops actions are within the law but it's clear (by the Elizabeth Huff incident) nothing will ever be done about him.

If CB is dishing manure it's pretty rich stuff. There's no grand scheme (at least on my part) to get JK and I suspect CBs actions/posting are more of an escalating reaction to your behavior rather than any scheme to get you. Since you believe in that ole saw "The enemy of the enemy is my friend" perhaps you and Mr. wikileaks should team to get robocop. I'm sure with minimal digging there's lots of stories could be posted about him. CB should post something besides you, I think all would agree.

As I have stated in another subject along with John, I don't think CB will prevail with his lawsuit because of your position of authority (again like robocop) but that doesn't necessarily mean you are in the right. You need to consider that in the future and try to avoid these kinds of situations. Just my opinion.

Just as every cop is a criminal (Robocop definitely)
And all the sinners saints (Me hopefully) BigGrin

Ooo, who

JK
#38 Posted : Wednesday, February 16, 2011 5:10:54 PM
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Like I said, I can't wait for it to go to court. That is where proof rises to the top.

It's a shame that Mr. Bunch refuses to take that polygraph test with me, and everyone else he has falsely accused in his delusional writings.

I noticed that he said that being a former law enforcement officer, he knows that polygraph results are not admissible in court. Actually, he is very, very mistaken.

Polygraph results ARE admissible in Civil Court, as long as all parties agree to make them admissible and part of the record.

My personal feelings have nothing to do with the beer board or any beer permit. The board is bound by law, not personalities. I did not deny Charles Bunch, or Mr. Sullivan a permit, I do not have the authority to deny or approve any application for a permit. The board is made up of 5 people, no single person possesses the ability to make a unilateral decision on any matter. Further, Neither have had an application come before the board for consideration to be denied or approved.

Do you know his neighbor to declare that they are "unbalanced"? I don't, so I cannot make that assessment. I doubt if you can either based on a complaint and no trial, finding of, or admission of guilt.

I have not threatened Mr. Bunch in any way at all. His accusation alone against so many people of threats and the specific people he is accusing should be enough to make people laugh at the very idea.

Last, I would be ashamed of the judicial system if a person won a lawsuit based on what they are or who they are and not on Law, Fact, Evidence, and Proof. Mr. Bunch will not prevail because he is wrong, period.
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#39 Posted : Wednesday, February 16, 2011 7:17:55 PM
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SaintT I posted a specific example if you would have continued posting the sentence "Local Business owners being allowed to threaten potential industry because they new industry would pay more and lure away their under paid labor, and other shady and highly questionable activities like a member of the Mayor's office contacting a former mayor to rebid after his sealed bid had been open and rejected" . We have also had the discussion back on BCI about the business men meeting a group at the airport which included first hand witnesses verifying the exchanges and other similar exchanges.
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#40 Posted : Thursday, February 17, 2011 5:43:40 PM
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JK wrote:
Like I said, I can't wait for it to go to court. That is where proof rises to the top.

It's a shame that Mr. Bunch refuses to take that polygraph test with me, and everyone else he has falsely accused in his delusional writings.

I noticed that he said that being a former law enforcement officer, he knows that polygraph results are not admissible in court. Actually, he is very, very mistaken.

Polygraph results ARE admissible in Civil Court, as long as all parties agree to make them admissible and part of the record.


I certainly hope this court business doesn't drag out too long, it needs to be over with. You should realize polygraphs are about as useful as a deck of Tarro cards. I refer you to Penn and Tell's Bullshit show Season 7 Episode 5. If you can't trust a couple of atheist who deal in slight of hand on a daily basis, who can you trust? Cool

https://antipolygraph.or.../YaBB.pl?num=1247844645

JK wrote:
My personal feelings have nothing to do with the beer board or any beer permit. The board is bound by law, not personalities. I did not deny Charles Bunch, or Mr. Sullivan a permit, I do not have the authority to deny or approve any application for a permit. The board is made up of 5 people, no single person possesses the ability to make a unilateral decision on any matter. Further, Neither have had an application come before the board for consideration to be denied or approved.


According to what CB posted, you must have an impostor "someone" giving orders to Wanda Malin. I believe I'd be hunting this person.

d. So in less than 24 hours of "someone" from the beer board finding out the valid permit was returned, "someone" from the beer board went to the clerks office and ordered it voided. The Mayor told me he could not over-rule the beer board and they have obviously revolked the permit, now, without due process.
JK wrote:
Do you know his neighbor to declare that they are "unbalanced"? I don't, so I cannot make that assessment. I doubt if you can either based on a complaint and no trial, finding of, or admission of guilt.


That's the whole problem JK when no one take the threat of murder seriously. The man was arrested for a verbal threat and you can claim you don't know enough to judge whether he needs a mental health exam? If one of your neighbors came on your property making such threats and you had him arrested, wouldn't you want the person to have a mental health evaluation not only for you own safety but the person making such a threat? This is exactly why we have so many Arizona incidents. The warning signs are being ignored. Even when the threat is known to be real as with the black man killing the cop (washington state I think it was) then the cops killing him there isn't any mechanisms in place to deal with it. Hopefully after this latest incident more mental health spending will occur.
JK wrote:
I have not threatened Mr. Bunch in any way at all. His accusation alone against so many people of threats and the specific people he is accusing should be enough to make people laugh at the very idea.

Then you deny you and another person went to his bar to "persuade" him to move his pigs?
JK wrote:
Last, I would be ashamed of the judicial system if a person won a lawsuit based on what they are or who they are and not on Law, Fact, Evidence, and Proof. Mr. Bunch will not prevail because he is wrong, period.

You definitely have a black and white view of the law. The "what they are or who they are" is well documented. The disproportunate number of blacks compared to whites in prison as an example. Your location and presentation can make all the difference in the world. OJ is a great example. Innocent by a jury of "his peers".

Oh, you can put me in the 3% column of your vote. All beer boards are just a hindrance to free enterprise sale of beer and liquor. If you want to regulate a product why not regulate lottery tickets to self-serve kiosks so those purchasers won't be clogging up the checkout lines of people are trying to buy something of value, like a beer!!!Drool
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